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Charles Phelan

Crazy Stuff Collectors Say – Part II

December 14, 2006 by Charles Phelan 1 Comment

Continuing our discussion of collection pressure tactics, I’ll focus on the “refusal to pay” tag-line frequently used by debt collectors.

Let’s say you’ve explained to a debt collector that you’re in a financial hardship situation and can’t make any payments. For the purpose of this discussion, it doesn’t really matter whether or not you’re actively trying to settle the account. Whatever your situation or intention, the goal of every debt collector is to extract a payment from you RIGHT NOW, usually by getting you to give them your checking account info so they can process an electronic debit. If the collector is not able to get a payment commitment from you, they may adopt a harsh accusatory tone and use the following line:

“Fine, then I’m going to note down here in your file that you are REFUSING TO PAY.”

Another variation on this line makes it sound even more threatening:

“Fine, the we’re going to report to our client that you are REFUSING TO PAY, and recommend they take aggressive action to collect this debt.”

Now, this statement about “refusing to pay” really gets people agitated. It’s an accusation and a threat all at the same time, and people get riled up when their personal honor is attacked like this. So what does the average person do? They fall right into the trap, by saying something like, “But I’m not refusing to pay!”

Then the collector can move in for the kill with, “Fine. Then let’s take care of this right now. Get your checkbook out and read me the string of digits along the bottom.”

There are several ways to respond to this type of “guilt-trip” pressure tactic. I’ll break it down into three different possible responses to the “refusal to pay” accusation. Choose whichever technique fits your personality and temperament:

1. Don’t even bother responding. Just hang up the telephone. It’s not necessary to have the last word on collection phone calls.

2. Respond in a very calm tone of voice, “I can see that you are going to make false statements about me to my creditor no matter what I say. So I guess we’re done here.” Then end the call. If you let the collector know they aren’t going to get under your skin with this type of approach, they will be less inclined to try it again later.

3. Take a more officious tone, and say the following: “OK, I can see that you are prepared to make false statements about me in my file. I intend to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission and the Attorney General about your fraudulent business practices. I’ll be naming you personally in the complaint. Have a great day!” Then hang up with no further dialogue.

I generally recommend against getting into an adversarial conversation with debt collectors, since it’s usually counter-productive. However, once in a while, you need to give as good as you get. Once a collector realizes that you cannot be bullied, intimidated, or made to feel guilty, most of their grab-bag of tricks goes out the window and you can have a more productive conversation about resolving the situation.

Filed Under: Debt & Credit

Crazy Stuff Collectors Say – Part I

December 6, 2006 by Charles Phelan Leave a Comment

I’ve been involved in the debt settlement industry for nearly a decade, and I’m still amazed by some of the crazy stuff that debt collectors tell people. Sometimes it seems like they have nothing better to do than sit around and think up strange or insulting things to tell debtors in order to intimidate them into making a payment, whether or not they have the money.

Incredibly, one of my clients was recently told to “go sell her blood” in order to raise money to make a payment! Another client, who makes her living as a commercial artist, was told, “Maybe you’re just a lousy artist and that’s why you don’t make enough money to pay your bills.” Both of these clients are honest hard-working people struggling to make ends meet like millions of other consumers. They were not in this situation by choice, and they would happily have stayed current on their debts if they hadn’t been hit with unexpected financial distress.

My intention is to blog about some of the pressure tactics that collectors use, in the hopes that people on the receiving end will read these posts and take heart. In this first post about collection tactics, I’ll focus on one of the common myths that is repeated daily on countless collection calls. I’m referring to the concept of “bankruptcy insurance.”

Let’s say you’re trying to negotiate a settlement on an account with a collection agency. You tell the collection rep that you are earnestly trying to avoid a bankruptcy, but you’re simply not in a financial position to make payments, and that you hope to eventually gather enough funds to settle the account. In a rude and condescending tone, the collector says, “Our client doesn’t care if you file bankruptcy. In fact, they would prefer it, so you might as well go ahead. That way they can file a claim against their bankruptcy insurance.”

What the… ? Is there such a thing as bankruptcy insurance? What just happened here?

What happened is that the collector used one of the oldest collection tricks in the book: the psychological removal of any leverage the debtor thinks they might have. You see, most people correctly assume that the threat of bankruptcy is a serious concern to a creditor. But the debt collector doesn’t want you to think that way. They want to mentally remove any bargaining power you think you have. They will try to confuse you and create fear, doubt, and uncertainty. Since most people who are up against aggressive debt collectors eventually mention the B-word, some genius thought up the idea of “bankruptcy insurance” as a way of deflecting and downplaying the threat of bankruptcy.

Folks, there is NO SUCH THING as “bankruptcy insurance.” There are no insurance policies that protect a credit card bank or unsecured lender against losses due to default, simply because there are no insurance companies foolish enough to issue such a policy. Why? Because such losses are predictable to the extent that the cost of the premium would equal or exceed the amount of the losses. The major credit card banks know with a high degree of accuracy what losses they will typically incur on an annual basis. It’s all programmed in as a cost of doing business. Sometimes the results come in slightly above or below expectations. But there is not enough variation for any type of insurance policy to make sense at all.

For insurance to work, there must be a large enough pool to spread out the risk, as with life insurance. When an insurance company issues a life insurance policy, they are betting that you will not die during the period the policy is in force, so they will get to keep all the premium they collect from you. The money they pay out in death claims is exceeded by the premium they collect from all the people who don’t die within the policy period. This could not possibly work in the context of creditor losses because it would be a losing bet for the insurance company unless they charged more for the premium that the expected losses. So if you are a creditor, good luck finding anything that resembles “bankruptcy insurance.”

Anyway, if you’re trying to haggle with a collector and the subject of “bankruptcy insurance” comes up, just laugh and say, “Oh, come on, you’re not really going to try that old trick on me, are you?”

Filed Under: Debt & Credit

One-Year Anniversary of the New Bankruptcy Law: What Have We Learned?

November 20, 2006 by Charles Phelan Leave a Comment

The one-year anniversary of the new bankruptcy law was October 17, 2006. What have we learned in the year since the new law went into effect?

The National Foundation for Credit Counseling recently released a report after one year of experience in counseling consumers under the new mandatory provision that requires a credit counseling session prior to filing bankruptcy.

The first obvious effect of the new law was a steep drop in the overall number of bankruptcies filed on a nationwide basis. From a record high of 2 million in 2005, filings are expected to top out around 600,000 for 2006, a 20-year low. However, we can justifiably shift around 400,000 filings from 2005 into 2006, since about that many extra filings took place right before the deadline when they would otherwise probably have been filed this year. The rate of filings has started to increase again, so “normal” filing levels will probably resume in 2007.

One of the most interesting statistics is the percentage of Chapter 13 versus Chapter 7 filings. Ignoring the skewed data in 2005, Chapter 13 filings typically averaged around 28-29% in prior years. In other words, approximately three out of every ten people filing individual bankruptcy did so under Chapter 13. For 2006, that ratio has climbed to more than four out of ten. However, this is based on a much smaller pool of people, so it’s probably still too soon to state categorically that the new law has caused a shift away from Chapter 7 to Chapter 13.

There is a further important point to be made on the subject of Chapter 13 versus Chapter 7 filings. Quite frankly, Chapter 13 sucks as a solution. Under Chapter 13, you are required to pay back a percentage of the debt (set by the court) over a five-year plan. This is not a very attractive option for most people. It’s one thing to have a bankruptcy on your record if you can at least wipe away the unsecured debts in full. It’s a totally different thing to get stuck with a five-year payment plan PLUS still have the BK on your record. My point here is that no one in the financial media who has commented on the lower filing numbers for 2006 has stated one obvious possibility: What we may be seeing is that people are determining in advance which Chapter they will fall under, and steering clear of bankruptcy if they don’t qualify for Chapter 7! We simply don’t know whether or not this is true, but it certainly makes sense based on the conversations I’ve had on a daily basis with struggling debtors. Virtually no one feels that Chapter 13 is a good solution, and many people are turning to debt settlement instead.

Aside from the above insights and speculations, one set of facts from the NFCC report jumped out at me. Consumers who sought credit counseling because they were required to do so before filing BK reported an average unsecured debt level of $38,472 against average annual income of $26,873, for a ratio of unsecured debt at 1.43 times annual income. Talk about being upside down financially! By way of contrast, “regular” credit counseling clients (who sought counseling because they were having financial troubles and not because they were about to file bankruptcy) reported an average unsecured debt level of $22,597 against average annual income of $31,143. This represents a ratio of unsecured debt at 0.73 times annual income. In other words, credit counseling clearly comes far too late in the process for people who are already seeking to file bankruptcy. Forcing people to have a credit counseling session just before they file for bankruptcy is like a doctor lecturing a patient about proper diet and exercise just before they are wheeled into the operating room for bypass surgery.

One final and very important point. Before the new bankruptcy law went into effect last year, I predicted that it would have no effect on debt negotiation and settlement. I’m happy to report that this has definitely been the case. Comparing settlement results for 2006 versus 2005, there has been no difference at all in the willingness of banks to settle. That’s because the bottom-line financial reasons for settlement are still in place. Simply put, it’s the “bird in the hand” philosophy, where it’s better to cut a financial loss with a known recovery amount than to risk recovering less or even nothing in the future.

Filed Under: Debt & Credit

The Illogical Nature of Debt Elimination Scams, and How to Convince a Potential Victim that it Really is a Scam

October 30, 2006 by Charles Phelan Leave a Comment

Regular readers of this blog know that I often write about bogus “debt elimination programs.” I’m mainly referring here to those “legally walk away from your credit card debt” scams, where the perpetrators claim they have discovered a magic loophole that allows you to erase your debts. Supposedly, it’s all based on the theory that the banks “monetize” your signature when you apply for a credit card, so you’re really borrowing your own “money” when you use that little plastic credit card. I’ve written extensively on why this scheme does not work – so I won’t repeat that discussion here. See my earlier blog posts on this subject. What I want to focus on today is how to convince a potential victim of this scam that they are about to be ripped off.

As an industry expert who counsels debt-strapped consumers on a daily basis, one of the most frustrating situations for me is when I’m speaking with someone who believes in this “debt elimination” system. It’s almost as though they have joined a cult. Really, the depth of belief in the “evils of our monetary system” can be that strong. I have tried to use simple logic to dissuade people from using these programs, with mixed results. The problem is that many consumers desperately WANT to believe the smoke-and-mirrors nonsense is really true.

So I’ve finally hit upon a way of getting my point across. I’ll share it with you in this post, in the hopes that if you have a family member, friend, or loved one who is about to fall for this scam, maybe you can get them to see the light using this approach.

The key is to focus on how the fees get paid. These debt scams cost plenty. The con artists used to be content with “only” $2,500 in fees, but nowadays they often charge $5,000 or more, and I’ve talked with people who have lost more than $10,000 in this scam. So where does the money come from to pay those enormous fees when people are already struggling to pay their bills? Surprise, surprise. The sales agent gets the victim to TAKE A CASH ADVANCE on any open credit card account that still has unused credit! If the victim-to-be is maxed out on their credit cards, but still has a decent credit score, they encourage the person to OPEN A NEW CREDIT CARD ACCOUNT just to get the cash to pay off their huge fee. They tell the consumer they can do this without intending to pay the money back. Folks, this is FRAUD, pure and simple. There is no other word for such a sleazy technique.

So as I was politely debating this subject with someone who kept trying to convince me of the validity of this debt elimination approach, I asked a simple question that changed everything. It went something like this: “OK, let me see if I have this right. The person trying to sign you up says that credit card banks are operating illegally, and that there is no real money changing hands when you borrow against a credit card. So why do they want you to use this flawed and illegal credit card system to pay their fee? If that isn’t REAL MONEY, why do THEY want some of that funny money from YOU?”

Major light bulb effect. The person immediately understood that they were being conned. And that’s the gist of it, really. Most of the scam promoters crow about how they are “revealing the truth” to the American consumer, offering “freedom from debt slavery,” and so forth. It’s all bunk. If their true mission was really to help the consumer, why the giant fees? If money borrowed against a credit card isn’t real money, why do they want some of it? This shows the utter hypocrisy of these people. They whine about what a flawed financial system we have, and how the banks operate illegally, but they want the victims to pay their fees using that same “non-existent” money. If the promoters were true to their fine words, they would offer their services on a barter basis, or ask for payment in gold coins (i.e., “real” money). But no, they are quite happy with electronic currency. That’s because it IS real money, and they can pay their own bills with it just fine!

Filed Under: Debt & Credit

Government Report on Credit Card Interest Rates, Fees, and Consumer Disclosures

October 13, 2006 by Charles Phelan Leave a Comment

The United States Government Accountability Office (GAO) has issued a report that examines the interest rates, fees, and penalties of major credit card issuers. The title summarizes the conclusion of the report, “Credit Cards: Increased Complexity in Rates and Fees Heightens Need for More Effective Disclosures to Consumers.” The basic finding of the report is that the average consumer does not understand the interest rates and fees associated with their credit card account, and the disclosure statements issued to consumers are part of the problem.

Here are some interesting facts from the GAO report:

1. The number of credit cards in circulation in the U.S. is nearly 700 million.

2. Between 1980 and 2005, the amount that U.S. consumers charged to their cards grew from an estimated $69 billion per year to more than $1.8 trillion annually.

3. The increased use of credit cards has contributed to an expansion in household debt, which grew from $59 billion in 1980 to roughly $830 billion by the end of 2005.

4. In 2005, about 80 percent of the active credit card accounts (for the top six issuers) were assessed interest rates of less than 20 percent — with more than 40 percent having rates of 15 percent or less.

5. In 2005, 35 percent of the active credit card accounts (for the top six issuers) were assessed late fees and 13 percent were assessed over-limit fees.

6. The disclosure statements issued to consumers were found to have “serious weaknesses that likely reduced consumers’ ability to understand the costs of using credit cards.” The disclosures were found to be difficult to read — with large blocks of text in small font sizes — and poorly organized.

7. Late fees have climbed at a rate which greatly outpaces normal inflation, from $12.83 in 1995 to $33.64 in 2005, an increase of over 160 percent. A similar sharp rise also occurred for over-limit penalties.

While the report touches briefly on the effect of high default interest rates and penalties on the increase in consumer bankruptcy filings, it fails to reach any definitive conclusion in this area. “Some critics of the credit card industry have cited penalty interest and fees as leading to increased financial distress; however, no comprehensive data existed to determine the extent to which these charges were contributing to consumer bankruptcies.”

Sorry, but in my book, ‘absence of evidence’ is not the same thing as ‘evidence of absence’. On a daily basis, I talk to distressed debtors who have literally been pushed over the edge of a financial cliff by abusive interest rates and penalties. Consumers on a tight budget limp along from one month to the next, making the minimum payments. And then something happens to cause them to miss a payment here or there. All of a sudden their 9.9% interest rate jumps to 32%, and $39 late fees get tacked on. In many cases, this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back, leaving the consumer with no choice but to consider bankruptcy or debt settlement.

The report makes recommendations for improving the disclosure statements issued by the credit card banks. As it stands now, you practically need an electron microscope to read the fine print, and it’s nearly impossible to stay awake while reading the turgid legal text to get to the important information. Too much emphasis, the report says, is given to the initial interest rates, and not enough to what happens in the event of default. The report recommends that disclosure statements be revised to emphasize which consumer actions or behaviors will lead to penalty interest rates or additional fees. This will help, but it’s not enough. I think we also need to add a warning like they have on cigarette packs: “WARNING: Use of this product may be hazardous to your long-term financial health.”

Filed Under: Debt & Credit

Catching Up on Industry News

October 4, 2006 by Charles Phelan Leave a Comment

There have been several interesting developments recently in the debt industry:

1. A large debt settlement company in California was targeted by the Federal Trade Commission and put under receivership, and the principal owner’s personal assets were frozen pending litigation by the government. A federal judge has granted the FTC a temporary restraining order against Homeland Financial Services and four other companies. (The multiple companies were really all part of the same operation.) As with most FTC press releases that pertain to debt settlement companies, it’s quite clear that the government doesn’t have a clue as to what debt settlement is really all about. However, in the case of this particular operation, it does appear that the enforcement action was warranted. Homeland Financial had generated hundreds of unresolved complaints with the Better Business Bureau. Most of the complaints related to the company’s reluctance to refund fee money to unsatisfied customers. This is a clear indication of arrogance and/or incompetence on the part of the owners or executives. It’s also a strong indication that the company’s representatives failed to properly explain the program to prospective clients. Complaints happen when people feel cheated, and when they don’t understand what they are signing up for. Since debt settlement is an alternative to bankruptcy, it has both positive and negative aspects. Unfortunately, it’s too easy for a sales rep to focus on the good features, and to downplay or omit discussion of anything negative. A company that endorses such a marketing approach is just asking for trouble. It’s unfortunate that the bad actors reflect poorly on the good players in the industry, many of whom are really working hard to adhere to rigid standards for business practices. I recently attended a trade conference hosted by TASC (The Association of Settlement Companies), where clear standards were one of the key topics of discussion. It’s too bad the folks at Homeland Financial ignored the need for standards, as well as participation in a trade association that’s working hard to clean up the industry.

2. In the wake of the recent 4-part series in the Boston Globe that exposed the underbelly of the Massachusetts collection industry, two of the collection companies cited in the series have closed operations in Massachusetts rather than go through the state licensing process. Boo-hoo. The bad guys had to leave town. Score one for the little guy. It’s great to see a serious piece of journalism actually accomplish a result like this. Hundreds of other collection agencies have been sent notices by Massachusetts authorities to get licensed or cease operations. Let’s hope major newspapers in other states catch on and start doing investigations of their own.

3. Congress passed, and President Bush is expected to sign, the Financial Services Regulatory Relief bill, which includes clarifications to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Most of the updates deal with technicalities, such as the language of the “mini-Miranda” warning (“this is an attempt to collect a debt,” etc.), the rules regarding collection activity within the initial 30-day dispute period (collection activity is ok in the absence of a known dispute by the consumer), and whether or not certain forms of communication (privacy notices, 1099-C forms, etc.) constitute debt collection attempts. One of the most important provisions of the bill is the exemption of certain bad check collection firms will not be regulated as debt collectors under the FDCPA. (This is an incredibly bad idea. See my blog post of May 4, 2006 for further info on this point.) Naturally, there was nothing in the bill that benefited consumers in any way.

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