In my post of October 27, 2010, “The Future of Debt Settlement,” I discussed how firms were responding to the advance fee ban imposed by the Federal Trade Commission, and that three groups had emerged. The first group are the companies exiting the marketing place completely—these were mainly the marketing outfits that will now set up shop peddling some other product or service. The second group are the “loophole” diehards, which are firms attempting to circumvent the FTC rules by altering their business models. Early indications are that the FTC (and various state Attorneys General) are taking aim at this group, and lawsuits are already under way against one of the large companies still charging advance fees. It’s the third group that I want to write more about today – the firms that have “seen the light” and are now compliant with the FTC’s fee limitations. Frankly, it’s still this bunch that worries me the most!
Several of the problems with the new “FTC Compliant” debt settlement companies already existed before the rule change took place. I’m referring to excessive program durations, accounts not getting settled until after charge-off, and increased risk of legal action.
Creditors Won’t Wait 36-48 Months to Get Paid!
The “FTC Compliant” firms are still mostly quoting 36 to 48 month programs. Folks, this is an absurd length of time to be at debt settlement. If you want to get sued, tell your creditors it will take 3-4 years to pay them. I’ve written extensively on this subject, so I won’t rehash it here. Background information is available in my blog post of September 19, 2008, “The Myth of the 36-Month Debt Settlement Program.”
Automatic 6-Month Delay Until Charge-Off
None of the major credit card banks will talk directly with third party debt settlement firms. This means that “professional negotiators” can only talk to collection agencies, third-party to third-party. What this means for the consumer is an automatic 6-month delay on having any accounts settled. Virtually all the accounts will have to go past charge-off, thereby greatly increasing the risk of legal action. Before a negotiator can even have a conversation on your behalf, 6 very dangerous months have to go by with no movement from your side. By tackling the job yourself (with our guidance) you can have the majority (if not all) of your debts settled BEFORE charge-off. See my blog post on our “Debt Settlement Success Rates” for further insight.
Increased Risk of Legal Action
No third-party debt settlement company can talk to a creditor on your behalf until they first send your Power-of-Attorney. Otherwise, the creditor or collection agency is blocked by privacy laws from speaking with someone about another person’s account. But the problem is that the Power-of-Attorney document ITSELF is enough to increase legal risk! If you send a POA document to an original creditor, it creates a “short circuit” in the usual collection process and causes the creditor to accelerate potential legal action. And even when negotiating with collection agencies, the risk still remains that the original creditor becomes aware of it and reneges on the deal. We have recently had instances where one major creditor routinely refused to accept the final installment on settlements negotiated by third-party firms, and clients were experiencing problems with those settlements. By contrast, settlements negotiated by clients directly with this creditor went without a hitch.
Understand this key point – the mere FACT that you are using a third-party WORKS AGAINST YOU and causes more problems than it’s worth.
The above problems all have nothing to do with the FTC rule change, and traditional debt settlement companies have not solved any of these major flaws in the business model. If you use a debt settlement firm, you are likely to be sued SOONER rather than later. It used to be that you had to pay up front for that privilege. Now there are plenty of debt settlement firms that will get you sued by your creditors without charging in advance for the service. 🙂
The above problems are bad enough, but there’s an even more significant problem on the horizon:
Will Your Debt Settlement Company Still Exist 12 Months from Now?
Until 10/27/2010, about 99% of the debt settlement companies out there were all charging 15% in advance of services being performed. Very few firms were using the old model of charging a percentage of savings. In fact, out of 1,000 or so companies, I could count on two hands (with fingers left over) the number of firms that did *not* charge up front prior to the FTC ruling. And even those firms still charged a combination of administrative enrollment plus monthly fees, in order to generate some revenue while waiting for a file to reach the stage where negotiation fees could also be earned. Under the new rules, these firms can charge *nothing* in advance – no retainer, no down payment, nothing. Nor are monthly fees permitted. Literally, any third party debt settlement firm must wait for the client to build sufficient savings, then negotiate a settlement before they can earn one dime on that customer’s file.
In case you have not figured this out yet, the purpose of the FTC ruling was to KILL THE DEBT SETTLEMENT INDUSTRY. They wanted to kill it without actually making third-party debt settlement illegal – that would have been going too far and would have been overturned by legal challenges. But since they handled the change as a modification to the Telemarketing Sales Rule, the FTC has effectively BANNED DEBT SETTLEMENT AS A LARGE-SCALE OPERATION. Do you know of any other industry where a company is required to work for many months with NO deposit in advance or work performed? I can’t think of any industry that would survive such a business model. No large company can survive, let alone grow to a larger size, with the business model that the FTC has imposed on the industry.
Yet numerous companies are “going for it” as we speak, attempting to make the new rules work (while the managers get their own resumes in order!). I’m very concerned that consumers will now be lured by the promise to “pay nothing out of pocket until we settle your debts!” The marketing is already in place for this – and consumers are being told that it “won’t cost anything to sign up” for a debt settlement program. In terms of fees, that is now a factual statement. However, the true cost is most definitely a very real one! If the debt settlement firm in question goes out of business or files bankruptcy in 6-12 months (due to steeply falling revenues), where will the consumer be then? When a debt settlement firm goes under, consumers often have an impossible time getting any monies refunded that have been accumulated for settlements.
To illustrate that I’m not just being pessimistic here, I’ll cite a notice about the bankruptcy filing of Able Debt Settlement, a firm in Texas. Between May 2009 and April 2010, the company claimed earnings of $890k, or an average of $74k per month. For the period July 2010 to January 2011, earnings dropped to $261k, or $37k per month. That’s a 50% drop in revenue! No firm can survive this radical a change, and I therefore predict that we will see a very long list of such bankruptcy cases in coming months.
If you are a consumer considering debt settlement – no matter how long your firm has been in business prior to October 2010, they may not be around a year from now. So why hire them in the first place? What happens if they go under and you can’t get your money back out? In the Able Debt Settlement BK filing, they listed between 1,000 and 5,000 creditors. That means CLIENTS were named as creditors to be included with the bankruptcy petition. Goodbye, refunds!
If you’re going to do debt settlement, do it right. Tackle the job yourself. Get educated. Get a coach. Give us a call. We’re here to help.
I am an attorney, and coincidentally, I just had a client come in this afternoon complaining that he had hired a debt settlement company from another state last year to settle a number of credit card debts for him. Unfortunately, the company ended up taking a fee of over $1,000 per month to pay itself and never really got going on settling any of his debts. As it turned out, he did get sued on several accounts. He ended up settling on those accounts as well as the others but not with the assistance of the Debt Settlement Company. He settled them on his own, and did, by the way, qite well. He came to me because he wanted to stop making his monthly payments to the Debt Settlement Company and he feared that they would sue him for breaching his contract with them! His paperwork with them did, however give him the ability to cancel at any time, so he did. In fact, that’s probably what they were counting on (hoping to collect a fee and then being called off the job while they were still ahead in the game). In other words the debt settlement company received a lot of money from him, and as it turned out, they really didn’t do anything for him. We had a lengthy conversation about this, and about recent developments in the law that I learned from this website. After he left, I checked this website and read the most recent blog herein (dated March 31, 2011). The blog was so precisely on point with our discussion that I called him to refer him to it, and I felt compelled to write this comment. Charles, thanks for your advice, your blog and your being there. Your comments and your advice is always spot on and delivered with compassion. Dan B.
Dan, thanks so much for your comment, and glad the site has proved to be a good resource for you.
Dan B if you are an attorney and you are referring to this website for advise as you truly stated, you are a the worst attorney in history. There are some flat our lies that are easily provable on this site and in this last article.
Greg, what’s the problem? Are sales down at the rip-off debt settlement company you work for? Having trouble making a living scamming consumers these days? Go ahead. Please “easily prove” that I have made a false statement in the above post.
You can’t show companies charging 15% in advance fees. The average was @ 10%.
I spoke to you years ago, and i have a DIY settlement kit also. I think your kit is actually a benefit to most people, but clients can not settle debts in 6 months. Being dishonest in any way shape or form hurts anyone trying to get out of debt.
Greg, thanks for the faint praise, but you are mistaken on both points. As per the information provided by TASC to the FTC for the 2008 debt settlement workshop, average fees were 14-18% of enrolled debt. A few firms charged 10-12%, but that was by no means the average, and there were plenty charging well over 15%. As to settling within 6 months, see my January blog post. In 2010, ZipDebt clients settled $16 million of credit card balances, comprised of 1,193 accounts settled. Of those, 90% were negotiated before the 6-month charge-off deadline. It sounds to me like you simply don’t know what you are talking about!
Greg,
Wrong, I settled all my debts ($130k) in less then 6 months thanks to Charles program.
I just achieved my last settlement agreement using Charles’ program. My wife and I had 10 credit card accounts and original balances of $133k when we started the program just back in September 2010. So less than 7 months later we’ve settled (or have made settlement agreements with payments due over the next 2 months) of just under $49k.
Sure, the balances did escalate a bit but only 6% to $141k and so our settlement percentage of original balances were 37% (and 34% of balances at settlement). All were settled before charge off and the average settlement agreement came at 133 past last payment due (that was missed). Five of the ten accounts were settled inside of 4 months and there were 2 that went to 170 days, which took the longest.
The program works. It’s important to do the calls. I logged 71 phone calls that I made to creditors over that period of time and there were probably a few more but I kept good records as you can tell.
The process of going through settlement wasn’t all that difficult, having a crushing debt burden was and I actually felt a lot better about taking this head on by myself (with some great advice in a structured program).
The program made sense to me, too. If you’re negotiating with banks directly in good faith, they’re much more understanding. You have to be disciplined and stick to the program but it absolutely works.
In less than 2 months from today all of my payments will be posted and I’ll have zero credit card debt.
Thanks, Charles!
My husband and I are in the end process of trying to buy a home. During the title inspection process we were informed that he had a property lien for $18,000 placed on him through the county district court in 2008. Nothing about this showed up on his credit report. He didn’t realize that he had been taken to court for this. We own no property but this is preventing us from being ok’d by the title co.to buy a home. During investigation of this matter, we found that the collection company handling this matter has filed bankruptcy and sent the case back to the cc MBNA. They will not give us any information regarding this matter except to say that they have record of him having an account there but its closed, however they will get back to us in “30 days”. Just this week he received a 1902N-2008 form from the state of NE stating that he hadnt claimed $7,500 on his income in 2008. He was able to get some info from them and they said a 1099 form was submitted by the CA that is now in bankruptcy. Does this mean his debt has been forgiven? Why didnt he ever receive this form or any information about this “extra income” until 3 years later? I have been reading your old blogs about debt charge off/forgiveness etc but still remain confused. Are we in over our heads to negotiate or should we seek out an attorney to get this lien lifted? I dont want to make our circumstances worse by bringing in a third party if we can do this ourselves. Thx for any help you can provide
Tiffay, it sounds like your account was with Mann-Bracken, which used to handle MBNA collections and is now bankrupt. This is the sort of tactic that ended up driving the company out of business. I do recommend you get legal assistance to have this judgment vacated. Start with http://www.NACA.net and talk to one of their attorneys for your state. You can’t be the only person who has experienced this in NE, so there may already be an established path to resolving this if other consumers in your state have had similar false judgments against them.